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Log opened Tue Sep 08 00:00:01 2009
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14:05BleuLlamaServer is back online.
14:06ezekyelyipppeeeee, this is a great news. :)
14:06ezekyelthx
14:06BleuLlamai'm not sure if the forums are up yet
14:06BleuLlamabut the wiki is up, and other services should come back online as fxb,courtc,DerPapst,etc all hook 'em up
14:06TheSevencheers!
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15:22sid77congrats to everyone involved in setting the server up
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18:57marcus_hey folks
18:57marcus_how do i change an mac pod top a windpod
18:57marcus_without a windows computers
18:57BleuLlamaeasiest way?
18:57marcus_yes
18:58marcus_i already tried
18:58BleuLlamafind someone with windows and itunes, and plug it in, hit 'restore'
18:58BleuLlamaor go into a nearby computer store.
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18:58BleuLlamaeasist way to make sure it's 100% compatible
18:58marcus_let me ask it this way
18:58marcus_the ipod as it comes new
18:58marcus_has two partions
18:58marcus_macpods
18:59marcus_have one with partion with no fs
18:59marcus_with the firmware on it
18:59marcus_and the in hfs
18:59BleuLlamayep. tjey come in a restore mode, and need to be plugged in to itunes first run
18:59BleuLlamawell, you can look on the wiki; there are directions there for partitioning the drive
18:59BleuLlamayou can use that to figure out the proper parititioning and hope it works
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18:59marcus_a win pod couldnt i just fdisk the second partion
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19:00BleuLlamai dunno. i don't use winpods
19:00marcus_i dont want to other
19:00marcus_i want to make a linux ipod
19:00marcus_but it needs to be a win pod first
19:00BleuLlamano it doesn't
19:00marcus_okay
19:00BleuLlamalook on the wiki; there's partitioning stuff there. you can wipe and start fresh
19:01BleuLlamabtw; the wiki is back up
19:01BleuLlamaenjoy
19:01marcus_on
19:01marcus_url
19:01marcus_?
19:01BleuLlamaon the ipodlinux website?
19:01marcus_why was it down
19:01BleuLlamaread the ipodlinux twitter feed. it was mentioned in there.
19:02BleuLlamashort: machine was compromised by some annoying script kiddie
19:02marcus_lol
19:02BleuLlamaso I pulled it offline until we restored it
19:02marcus_anyway
19:02marcus_you pulled it of line?
19:02marcus_are you a deleloper
19:02BleuLlamai am not a deleloper. i don't know what that is
19:03marcus_oh sorry
19:03marcus_developer
19:04BleuLlamai am one of the core developers, yes.
19:04marcus_well can i ask why have you made a linux based installer
19:05marcus_sourceforge has dmg for mac
19:05marcus_there ive heard are some for windows
19:05marcus_why not one for linux
19:05BleuLlamabecause if you already have linux, chances are you know what you're doing, and you can do a manual install
19:05BleuLlamapersonally, i'd prefer it if there were no installers at all.
19:06marcus_yes thats ture
19:06marcus_true
19:06marcus_most people who have linux could do a manuel install
19:06marcus_but
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19:06marcus_some people who are just switching to linux
19:06marcus_or just learning
19:06BleuLlamamanual install is very easy to do, especially on linux and mac.
19:06BleuLlamaeven more reason
19:06marcus_are just dont want to pay micrsoft
19:06BleuLlamawhat better way to learn how linux works/is configured than a manual install
19:07BleuLlamawhat?
19:07marcus_the point im getting is
19:07marcus_linux is better the windows and mac
19:07marcus_but
19:07BleuLlamai wouldn't say that.
19:07BleuLlamalinux is /different/ than windows and mac
19:07BleuLlamathey each do things very well.
19:08BleuLlamasome more than others. some are more suited to some goals/beliefs/tasks
19:08marcus_not everyone who uses windows and is is smart enough to install an ipod from scartch
19:08marcus_an the ipodlinux is not just
19:08marcus_partion drives
19:08marcus_and copy files
19:09marcus_its one step before compileing a linux distro of your won
19:09marcus_well not that extent
19:10marcus_but all lot people dont know what /sdb what is
19:10BleuLlamawe used to encourage people using windows to use a linux live distro to install manually, rather than trying to do it under windows; not because "LINUX R00LZ!" but because it's easier, more sane, and a better learning process
19:10marcus_let alone the differenc between sda1 and sdb1 or sda1
19:10BleuLlamamarcus_: we (especially me) encourage all to learn each step of the process
19:11BleuLlamamarcus_: there are plenty of resources on the net to refrence while doing it to learn what is going on
19:11marcus_that not my point
19:11marcus_is you goal
19:11marcus_to have people you ipod linux
19:11marcus_to have as many people use ipod linux
19:11marcus_or to teach people about linux
19:11marcus_becuase
19:12marcus_not every one can be taught
19:12marcus_but linux on the ipod is 100% user friendley once its there
19:12BleuLlamamy goal with the project was a few things:
19:12BleuLlama1) get a Tepest-like game running on it.
19:12BleuLlama2) get a mod player running on it
19:12BleuLlama3) make it prettier
19:12BleuLlamai accomplished all 3
19:13BleuLlamanow, i somehow stuck myself as being the maintainer of the server hardware. hehe
19:13scorche|shi offered, but noooooooooooooooooooo
19:13marcus_so can i voluneteer as devleoper and make bash sript that will install it on to you ipod
19:13scorche|shmarcus_: it isnt that simple
19:13BleuLlamamost users/developers out there are very fickle. Once they get their new ipod, or other portable device, they'll leave o work on other projects
19:14BleuLlamamarcus_: there are plenty of half-working shell scripts out there. it is a non-trivial problem.
19:14marcus_non- trivial
19:14marcus_meaning not easy
19:15marcus_yeah it it is in juss not unattened
19:15BleuLlamascorche|sh: heheh.
19:15marcus_you have the install tell you the location of the ipod
19:15marcus_let me write it
19:15marcus_ill submit it to you
19:15marcus_you do with it what you want
19:15marcus_/dev/null
19:15BleuLlamaand be sure to account for *EVERY* *SINGLE* *POSSIBLE* error case
19:16BleuLlamabe sure to test it on as many desktop machines, and as many ipods, with as many possible hardware configurations as possible
19:16scorche|shotherwise you will make babies cry
19:16scorche|shand courtc too
19:16marcus_courtc?
19:17scorche|shyes...he will cry too
19:17BleuLlamaall you need is for one person's weird configuration to not work, it wipes their user data on their other thumb drive, and you have them angry at *us*... then *we* will end up figuring out what caused it, etc. put it in the forums with the other user-created shell script installers.
19:18BleuLlama1) i'm not maintaining your code. 2) i don't want an installer to begin with 3) i have other projects i'm trying to focus my coding/maintenance time on right now.
19:18BleuLlamabesides, there's always Zeroslackr.
19:19marcus_zeroslackr
19:19marcus_thats fine
19:19marcus_i dont care
19:19marcus_but
19:19marcus_i just should let you know
19:20marcus_that if your doing something you dont want to do
19:20marcus_then dont
19:20marcus_and secondleu
19:20•TheSeven wonders if marcus_ has lost his spacebar
19:20BleuLlamaTheSeven: he's probably worked up a bit.
19:20marcus_any project that has leader who doesnt want it to grow
19:21marcus_the project will fail
19:21BleuLlamamarcus_: i'm not telling you to not write it; i'm just saying that you probably shouldn't try to submit it as part of the core project, and also to research in the forums, for the many shell scripts in there already
19:21BleuLlamai'm not a leader
19:21BleuLlamanever said i was
19:21BleuLlamathe project is going just fine, thanks.
19:21marcus_alright latter
19:21marcus_and now'
19:21marcus_im not worked up
19:21BleuLlamait's an ongoing thing, that can't fail.
19:21BleuLlamait will always have its niche users/developers
19:21marcus_just typing from a motorall razor
19:22marcus_with linux on it
19:22BleuLlamabut as the old ipods fall out of favor, the fickle user base will ensmallen.
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19:22BleuLlamaall of those people that were like "IPODLINUX IS AWESOME! ILL USE IT FOREVER" three years ago have since gotten their palm PREs, or ipod touches and have moved on
19:22BleuLlamawhatever dude.
19:23BleuLlamaso damnit! don't try to convince me that i should care.
19:23BleuLlamahehe
19:25•TheSeven is wondering how many users will wipe their hard disks in near future by dd'ing iLoader to it
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19:33marcus_id like to appolgize
19:33marcus_i have never seen your web site before
19:33marcus_as my ipod
19:33marcus_was just returend to me
19:33marcus_8 days ago
19:33marcus_and ive been trying to install linux on it without windows
19:33marcus_and now i relize
19:34marcus_there is a linux based install
19:34marcus_installer
19:34marcus_i was talking about right a bash script that deos what the installer does
19:35marcus_but it already exists
19:35marcus_and there no need for it
19:35marcus_im sorry
19:35marcus_ my BAD
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19:35BleuLlamawhich ipod do you have? (curious)
19:35BleuLlamaokay then
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20:13scorche|shand what about
20:13scorche|shtyping
20:13scorche|shlike this
20:13scorche|shthe whole
20:13scorche|shtime?
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