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| Log opened Tue Oct 13 00:00:02 2009 | ||
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| 01:10 | milkmann | hello im running windows xp and i transferd songs from ipod to my hd and i put them on another ipod but the songs wont play its protected or somthing can i transfer them to somthing |
| 01:12 | milkmann | i got the 160gb video |
| 01:14 | milkmann | anyone here to help |
| 01:23 | milkmann | hello anyone here |
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| 08:10 | rvvs89 | milkmann: You need to use iTunes to transfer songs to your iPod |
| 08:11 | rvvs89 | milkmann: Also, some songs that you may have purchased through iTunes may be encrypted. |
| 08:12 | rvvs89 | iirc they aren't doing this anymore, but I don't use iTunes so don't take my word for it |
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| 09:57 | milkmann | what to use |
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| 10:00 | rvvs89 | Can you rephrase? |
| 10:08 | milkmann | for transfering m4p to mp3 |
| 10:09 | rvvs89 | Right, M4P is an encrypted song from the iTunes store, you need to use the copy of iTunes that you used to download it originally to transfer it to the iPod in order to play it. |
| 10:10 | rvvs89 | If you no longer have access to that copy of iTunes, tough luck I'm afraid. |
| 10:11 | milkmann | man that sucks |
| 10:12 | milkmann | so it cant be hacked |
| 10:12 | TheSeven | it's DRM. it always sucks. |
| 10:19 | rvvs89 | Yep, that's what you get for buying DRM encumbered products. |
| 10:20 | rvvs89 | You can apparently get around the DRM by burning the song to a CD and then ripping said CD, but still requires the original copy of iTunes from which you purchased the song. |
| 10:20 | rvvs89 | s/but/but that/ |
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| 17:55 | Conkerchen | hi |
| 17:56 | Conkerchen | can anyone help me? ... i just messed up my ipod |
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| 18:13 | rvvs89 | Conkerchen: What's the problem? |
| 18:13 | Conkerchen | i just installed the ipodlinux but it did not quite work |
| 18:14 | Conkerchen | afterwards, i formated the ipod and used itunes to reinstall the firmware |
| 18:14 | Conkerchen | now i cannot do anything |
| 18:14 | Conkerchen | the ipod won't even turn on. no error message or anything, just black screen |
| 18:15 | scorche|sh | Conkerchen: which ipod? |
| 18:15 | Conkerchen | 5g |
| 18:15 | Conkerchen | 30gb |
| 18:15 | scorche|sh | switch the hold switch on then off...then hold menu + select for 30 seconds |
| 18:16 | Conkerchen | for 30 seconds? i allready tried holding those buttons but not THAT long |
| 18:16 | Conkerchen | wait a sec, ill try that |
| 18:19 | Conkerchen | no it wont work |
| 18:19 | Conkerchen | tried it 2 times, held them over one minute long |
| 18:20 | rvvs89 | Is the screen actually black, or is it off? |
| 18:20 | Conkerchen | it is off |
| 18:20 | scorche|sh | then your ipod might be completely discharged...plug it in (preferably to a wall outlet) and leave it for potentially 24 hours |
| 18:20 | Conkerchen | also if i connect it to computer it is not detected |
| 18:20 | scorche|sh | wait...if you plug it in does the screen come on? |
| 18:21 | Conkerchen | i also assumed that but it was half fully loaded, when the error occured. Also i loaded it for about an hour after that but nothing. It also doesnt show the battery loading screen when plugged in |
| 18:22 | Conkerchen | no it does not |
| 18:22 | scorche|sh | well, simply installing ipl or anything of the sort wont produce the behavior you are describing...the only possiblities for a "dead" screen and reset procedure/button combo not working is either hardware failure or complete battery discharge |
| 18:23 | rvvs89 | When you were holding menu+select, was the iPod plugged in to some power source? |
| 18:24 | scorche|sh | well, there is one other possibility: you are doing something wrong |
| 18:24 | Conkerchen | well, as i said is happend after i installed the original firmware. itunes said, the ipod would reboot. I waited, the ipod showed a loading bar but it did not complete. I pressed MENU and then it turned off. since then i could not get it back on |
| 18:24 | rvvs89 | Ah, perhaps some problem occurred while it was being flashed |
| 18:25 | Conkerchen | itunes flashes the ipod when i do the firmwareupdate? |
| 18:25 | Conkerchen | i didnt know that |
| 18:25 | scorche|sh | oh...this was during an itunes flash?...you said it was when you installed ipl... |
| 18:25 | scorche|sh | it does sometimes |
| 18:25 | Conkerchen | thats defently not what i wanted |
| 18:25 | rvvs89 | Iirc only when you use the restore feature |
| 18:26 | scorche|sh | rvvs89: really?....i thought it was only on some updates... |
| 18:26 | Conkerchen | so is there a way, to falsh it again so it will work? |
| 18:26 | scorche|sh | Conkerchen: if that indeed is the issue, then no |
| 18:27 | scorche|sh | well, not anything you can do at least |
| 18:27 | rvvs89 | scorche|sh: You are probably correct |
| 18:27 | Conkerchen | well thats great |
| 18:27 | scorche|sh | rvvs89: flashing on each restore would be just plain silly |
| 18:27 | Conkerchen | do you think, i could blame itunes for this? |
| 18:27 | scorche|sh | Conkerchen: try my earlier suggestion and then re-evaluate the situation... |
| 18:28 | TheSeven | Conkerchen: how far roughly did the status bar go before it locked up? |
| 18:28 | TheSeven | and did you just briefly press menu, or hold menu+select at that point? |
| 18:28 | Conkerchen | about one quart i think |
| 18:29 | TheSeven | ouch, that's in the middle of the boot loader. |
| 18:29 | TheSeven | so it just got stuck there? |
| 18:29 | rvvs89 | scorche|sh: It would be, but I'm sure I've read some stories on the old iPodLinux forums of people who've interrupted a restore only to cause a partial flash. |
| 18:29 | Conkerchen | theseven: i think i only touched it but im not sure |
| 18:29 | Conkerchen | yes |
| 18:29 | scorche|sh | rvvs89: "restoring" to an updated firmware, i would imagine |
| 18:30 | scorche|sh | but, i could be wrong |
| 18:30 | rvvs89 | It's not exactly a well documented feature |
| 18:30 | TheSeven | well, actually it's everything that rewrites that one field in the AUPD image to zero, so if it is doing a complete restore with a fubar'd firmware partition, it will probably flash |
| 18:31 | TheSeven | these old ipods don't even have a bootrom, right? |
| 18:31 | rvvs89 | Right, it's all on disk. |
| 18:31 | rvvs89 | Except for the flash |
| 18:32 | rvvs89 | Conkerchen: If it's still under warranty, this is covered. |
| 18:32 | Conkerchen | lol |
| 18:32 | Conkerchen | its 5g |
| 18:32 | Conkerchen | about 3 years old i think |
| 18:32 | rvvs89 | Emphasis on if |
| 18:32 | Conkerchen | warranty lasts 1 year |
| 18:32 | TheSeven | so they booted directly off a parallel NOR flash? |
| 18:32 | TheSeven | oh, i love the new ones which have far more reliable fallback mechanisms |
| 18:33 | rvvs89 | Yeah, but Apple also sells extended warranties for iPods |
| 18:33 | rvvs89 | TheSeven: What kinds of mechanisms? |
| 18:34 | TheSeven | a mask rom on the soc itself containing a USB DFU bootrom |
| 18:34 | rvvs89 | Oh, that is pretty handy |
| 18:34 | TheSeven | since the classic and nano 3g these things are 100% unbrickable |
| 18:34 | rvvs89 | Ah, so that's what was being activated when the firmware was rubbish |
| 18:35 | TheSeven | the nano 2g could theoretically be semi-bricked into a state where one would need to open it and short 2 pcb pads to enter a recovery mode |
| 18:36 | TheSeven | however, we haven't managed to break one to a degree that would have needed this yet |
| 18:36 | rvvs89 | I'm surprised it took them so many generations to reach that point. |
| 18:37 | TheSeven | if the nano2g has a bad flash checksum it will automatically enter bootrom DFU, but if it has a good checksum on a bad flash, it'll need to be opened |
| 18:37 | TheSeven | on the later ones, you can enter an absolutely bullet-proof DFU mode by resetting it twice in a row |
| 18:38 | TheSeven | (and starting with the nano 4g, they have dropped the nor flash entirely and boot directly off nand) |
| 18:39 | TheSeven | Conkerchen: if you want to fix it, the easiest way will probably be a mainboard swap :-/ |
| 18:39 | Conkerchen | -.- |
| 18:45 | Conkerchen | i'm actually thinking that itunes could be liable for this. at least they did not warn the user, that the ipod would be flashed and that a failing flash might cause the ipod to be absolutely unusable. |
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| 21:13 | Doc^Donkey | Hello ! |
| 21:14 | Doc^Donkey | i have an interresting question for you guys |
| 21:14 | Doc^Donkey | heres how it goes |
| 21:15 | Doc^Donkey | i use a nice sony walkman mp3player wich, i fear, is limiting me with its 4gb of songs i can bring along, and i think i'm gonna be looking for a replacement by the time christmas gets by |
| 21:16 | Doc^Donkey | one thing i realy dont like about that mp3player (and maybe most of them) is the fact i cant actualy queue songs to be next to be played |
| 21:17 | Doc^Donkey | i was wondering is an ipod with linux as a OS would allow me to do so or to tweak it so it would work |
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| 22:24 | Doc^Donkey | come on guys, someone gotta know |
| 22:26 | linuxstb | Doc^Donkey: For fear of being evicted, I can say that Rockbox can do that (and not just on ipods). I've no idea about IPL. |
| 22:31 | Doc^Donkey | rockbox? |
| 22:32 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org |
| 22:32 | Doc^Donkey | thanks |
| 22:33 | Doc^Donkey | its realy appreciated |
| 22:33 | linuxstb | You're welcome. |
| 22:42 | Doc^Donkey | wow |
| 22:42 | Doc^Donkey | thanks again, i'll get myself one of the hardware supported by this OS |
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